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everybody how you doing a very special

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on a very well-known UFO flap we're

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talking about the Phoenix Lights and uh

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Jason we've got Dr Lynn kitai in the

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show today she's quite the wealth of

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knowledge she uh knows a lot on the

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Phoenix Lights for sure she's one of the

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leading experts on it and I'm looking

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yeah and in our quest to find more

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science-minded and science trained

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people to really give their opinions on

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this stuff I mean she's a medical doctor

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she's a physician who had an experience

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she's the only lady that ever got 35 mil

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footage and you know the images you see

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in the paper and that those were all

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hers she went through it herself

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captured it and it changed her entire

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life and how could it not so today we're

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super excited to interview her uh we're

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gonna let her have the floor and just

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tell us everything she needs to tell I

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don't know how much she can fit in an

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hour but today we're going to learn

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about the Phoenix Lights on another

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welcome back to another episode of UAP

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studies podcast I am Louis Borges

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joining me as always my good friend and

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illustrious co-host Jason gilmap how are

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you man I'm doing good it's been a it's

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been a heck of a week but you know what

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this is going to be a great episode I've

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been looking forward to this all week

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and uh looking forward to uh hearing

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more about uh uh Dr Lynn kitai I

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pronounced that correctly I'm looking

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forward to talking with her a bit about

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the Phoenix Phoenix Lights in uh yeah

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discovering more about it yeah and so

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we're super excited because you know

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we're more science-minded than kind of

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entrepreneur because to be a

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cardiologist would have been damn near

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13 years of schooling for me so these

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are people that have a high level of

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intellect the ability to retain

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information record it correctly and so

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when you have somebody like that who has

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an experience and then shifts their

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entire life from being a physician to I

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want to figure out what what's going on

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and help other people understand that

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that's respect worthy for sure

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absolutely and uh you know Dr Lynn has

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she's internationally acclaimed

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physician and health educator she's the

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author of Phoenix Lights a Skeptics

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discovery that we are not alone and

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today she's going to inform us about the

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whole Phoenix Lights in fact there's a

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lot of things people don't know and

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she's going to come on the show and uh

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and uh Enlighten us all so with very

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warm welcome Dr Lynn kitai welcome to

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the show

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it is my Supreme pleasure to be with you

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guys uh Louis and Jason and your

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audience particularly since I had no

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interest or knowledge in this topic at

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all I knew nothing about this topic

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before my husband who's also a physician

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and a healthy skeptic one must be open

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when you're a physician for whoever

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sighting to our home two years before

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the historic Mass sighting of March 13

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1997 which has become the most witness

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most documented most important anomalous

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if not all of history and as you

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scientist I come to this forum as a

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scientist to uh and I've tried my best

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to really document things as credibly

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and professionally and share them as

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possible as well as a physician

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to let people know they're not crazy

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even though most anomalies can be

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explained only a small percentage cannot

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frequency so it's important that we get

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this topic out in the open and we

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address it we accept it and study it so

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explained if they don't share it with

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even just one person and I always

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Facebook Phoenix Lights Network page on

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Facebook or Phoenix Lights Network

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one person it's healing it's cathartic

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that feels and of course as an educator

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for over 50 years when the reality of

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vital health issues I have a company

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health education learning programs that

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produces video and workable curriculums

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on vital health issues for classrooms

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worldwide award-winning Discovery

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documented particularly since it's on 35

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millimeter I documented these UAP on 35

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millimeter they cannot be explained

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or deny they're in the negative by

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military or university Optical experts

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and there is so much more to this story

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disinformation out there even

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entire medical career aside for seven

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years searching for a logical sorts of

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meaning for what I witnessed and

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photographed I've yet to buy the 25

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years later and what I found was so

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mind-boggling that I ended up with a 750

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page Journal seven years later that I

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didn't know what to do with I did not

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want to come forward and I really did

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people knew what I had which was very

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significant as I've learned

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2004 with the first edition of the book

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The Phoenix Lights a Skeptics discovery

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that we are not alone and now it's in a

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sports print

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they can explore I'm an educator go go

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maybe just broadly explain what it was

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what happened you know what they looked

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the topic at all and I don't believe in

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coincidence anymore

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everything's for a reason okay it

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happened to be the eve of my birthday

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what an Incredible Gift actually in

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Paradise Valley and our Viewpoint

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lights and car lights and so forth again

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anything that pops up out there we get

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mother-in-law on the phone to wish me a

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happy birthday and he was on several

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what the hell is that I grabbed my towel

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ringing wet run to the window dripping

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which isn't a really unique collection

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there is a car on the road and I did

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that purposely because cars with lights

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under these three orbs in a pyramid

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formation what I'm talking too closely

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aligned underneath and I admittedly

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looked underneath because again nobody

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treacherous you know a cacti and all

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I'm thinking whoa I should get my camera

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going to last so I try to take

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everything in mentally the size of shape

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the color they were about three to six

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were they were oval shaped which is

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oval shape or laws in shape I don't know

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because the light did not extend outside

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very soothing very mesmerizing every

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believe it so I go running to the closet

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I collect sunsets in fact all these

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books behind me or or success that I

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collect and I I just kept the cheap

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instamatic Canon camera in the closet

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and I go to grab it my husband calls me

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back and I always go back to this site

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because I saw this up close and personal

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and they were just yards from our home

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he says one of them is disappearing get

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over here quick and as we both watched

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the top award without budget from the

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other two very closely aligned

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underneath starts to shrink

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very very slowly mechanically

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but it's really difficult to describe in

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logical terms like it's dimmer switch

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like like it was an intelligent presence

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behind it getting smaller and smaller

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and smaller and smaller until it was pea

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size

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and then it disappeared but it felt like

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it was still there

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where did it go in fact the only thing

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that popped into my mind was we had two

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young boys at the time we did watch the

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original Star Trek series with William

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Shatner and also uh E.T and close

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encounters that was it okay

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what popped into my mind was a real

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Romulan cloaking device I don't know if

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you remember that from Star Trek but it

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kind of wavered before it cloaked this

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did not I really noted that that

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but it seemed like it was cloaking at

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any rate I jumped out on the balcony got

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a quick picture of the two lower orbs

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that's a second picture in the top row

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on the Phoenix Lights Network photo page

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and immediately noticed an eerie silence

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as if time had stopped it was just

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bizarre and as intently as I was

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watching these two lower orbs and I

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didn't share this with the soul until

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two years later after the mass sighting

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it felt like something was watching me

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it just did and going through my mind at

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that exact moment I was thinking

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who are you what are you do you know

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that I'm here I'd love to meet you

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the next thing I remember the left

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bottom orb started to shrink just like

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the top one did and I quickly shot a

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picture of that that was the only one

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that turned out at the time but for me

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it was confirmatory that we did see

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something unusual I didn't know what it

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was but I got a picture of it one half

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disappeared and one's still there but I

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didn't even know who to show it to I

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know no one who was into the topic I

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wondered for two years why we saw this

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what kind of advanced technology was

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this right outside our bedroom window

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why my husband happened to see it with

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me and interestingly he didn't want to

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talk about it okay he would get agitated

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when I brought it up he was inside I was

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outside

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um something might have happened I don't

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know but everybody comes from a

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different background from a different

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offering from a different world view

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some people can't deal with this topic

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some people don't want to and that's

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okay that's okay everyone in their own

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time but now we have data to really look

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at and I'm just quickly going to go

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through a couple things for you number

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one

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um and if you go on the website the 21

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page report is there a year after the

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mass sighting which is in some of the

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footages in the documentary a year after

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the mass saying we had a huge sighting

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40 miles wide 20 minutes of straight

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lines and mirror images and the final

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thing was a giant

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um pyramid in the same spot again and we

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can tell because we have those skylights

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there okay we're going to get to that

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but um but at any rate uh two years

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later after the year after the mass

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sighting three years after this close

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sighting

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um I had alerted people from Village

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Labs which was a Clearinghouse for many

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of the reports that I had seen these

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lights through a fog it was very muted

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but they might come back a third night

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and alert the other videographers which

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coincidentally were positioned north

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south east and west

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um that they might come back and they

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did with a Vengeance and now I had four

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videos taken at the same time I've been

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told that Dr Bruce Maccabee uh the uh

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Navy Optical physicist very well

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respected should see my data so I

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finally got in touch with him and as an

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afterthought I stuck in now by then I

387
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went back to the strips and found that I

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had additional photos so I gave I sent

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him the first and the last photo he

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calls me up a couple weeks later he said

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you you're you said you're closed

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sighting in 95 was a couple minutes I

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said right he said are you sure I said

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that's what I remember he said ask your

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husband I said he won't talk about it he

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said you got to corroborate and I sat my

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husband down I said you don't have to

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talk about it how long was I closed

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sighting in 95. he said I don't know two

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three four minutes tops went back to Dr

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McAfee said that's impossible I said

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what do you mean he said first of all he

403
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noticed and if you look at those

404
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pictures is right there in the negative

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the orbs themselves from the first

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picture to the last picture moved from

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on the left side of those skylights to

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the right side so they moved number one

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number two if you look at the in the

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distance on

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the skyline the same exact phenomenon

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this is where the data gets really

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really important

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is in the same exact location

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disappearing at a distance

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as two months before the mass lighting

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which we'll get to and during the main

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sighting that I also captured on 35

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millimeter and video

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but he said that's not the most

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important thing the skyline is very

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different I said what do you mean he

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said there are many groups of lights on

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and I would have never noticed this data

425
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in the first picture that are off in the

426
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last picture he said that doesn't happen

427
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in a couple minutes he said I want you

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to do an experiment he was very

429
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meticulous with this he said stand on

430
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the balcony proximately where you were

431
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standing during the closed sighting and

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take a picture of the skyline and it's

433
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three years later but nonetheless one

434
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night every hour next to every half hour

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I also took it for another night every

436
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15 minutes and we'll see when these

437
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lights start going out well the I

438
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usually take a bath when we're home

439
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between seven and eight so let's be

440
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conservative and say eight o'clock

441
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starting point the groups of lights are

442
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going out at nine o'clock

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the last picture is indicative of 10 30

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11 o'clock we actually did it again with

445
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better software a few years ago for

446
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National Geographic there were more

447
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lights that were on in the first picture

448
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that were off in the last picture he

449
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said

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um can I present this case at the

451
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upcoming mufon Mutual UFO Network

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um International Symposium in Washington

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DC I said hey Dr McAfee this is your

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baby I would have never known this data

455
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just keep my name out of it and he along

456
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with a handful of other people were very

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kind to do that for seven years he

458
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presented the case in 1999 and I never

459
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even shared it with anyone until the

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second edition of the book it's in this

461
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fourth edition now in 2010 as the first

462
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and as far as we know the only

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authenticated photographic evidence of

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missing time

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and the reason that I decided to share

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it was number one our concept of time

467
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might not be what time really is linear

468
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time past present and future may be

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primitive the time is very different

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than what we think it is plus by then

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quantum physics quantum mechanics had

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talked about uh the possibility of 10 or

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11 different dimensions bubble Theory

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and string theory well if there are

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other times and spaces along with ours

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why is it such a leap to think that

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there may be other intelligences

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in those other times and spaces that we

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get glimpses of if we're open to them or

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invited so I finally did share it so

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that's a little tidbit for you guys and

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21 page report is on the website now

483
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fast forward two years without seeing

484
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anything remotely similar to the close

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orbs and mind you I didn't even know the

486
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far away orders were there

487
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I notice January 22nd 1997 three huge

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orbs at a distance equidistant from each

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other hovering for many minutes and I'm

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watching them and I'm thinking wait a

491
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minute they're Amber their information

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even though it's a line formation

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equidistant from each other they're

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huge bowls and I watched each one seem

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to shrink

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like the close ones did from right to

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left and I even mentioned it to my

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husband he said do you still do I still

499
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have to go to work tomorrow that was his

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comment and the next night he happened

501
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to be at a medical board meeting and I

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come upstairs and from that sliding

503
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glass door that's perpendicular to the

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big picture window I noticed the same

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three lights in a row are now far south

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in front of South Mountain and I knew

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they were in front of the mountain

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because there are blinking red lights on

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top of the mountain to alert jets that

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are coming into the airport that there's

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a mountain there so I said enough I run

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downstairs grab my video camera that was

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fully charged go outside get about 18

514
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seconds worth and the battery went dead

515
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went back inside hooked it up went

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outside they were gone it's about eight

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o'clock about 8 30. my husband comes up

518
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the drive and I go outside I said honey

519
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remember I told you about the three

520
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lights in a row last night that were Far

521
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West well about a half an hour ago they

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were right in front of South Mountain as

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I'm pointing like this they reappeared

524
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in the same spot it was like whoa I

525
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gotta get a picture of this and luckily

526
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and I have to say again don't believe in

527
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:11,160
coincidence in video anybody that's seen

528
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,140
the video it doesn't do the lights

529
00:20:17,810 --> 00:20:15,360
Justice they're much smaller they're

530
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,820
white they flicker nonetheless if you

531
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really study them the formations are

532
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:21,000
very compelling but they could be

533
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mistaken for something else but in 35

534
00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:25,799
millimeters they're in the negative they

535
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can't be fudge they can't be manipulated

536
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,140
I run upstairs grab my 35 millimeter get

537
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out on the balcony just as I'm ready to

538
00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:35,280
shoot the three suddenly six lights

539
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:38,340
across appear massive span over a mile

540
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wide above the three it was so unnerving

541
00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:44,580
not having an explanation patient for 95

542
00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:46,919
closed sighting that I started to shake

543
00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:49,500
and if you look at that picture it's

544
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wavy because I was shaking but I kept my

545
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words about me thank goodness because

546
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the second picture is real to me it's a

547
00:21:01,610 --> 00:20:58,919
Smoking Gun

548
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:01,620
because what it shows are five lights

549
00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:04,020
that look like a V with two underneath

550
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:06,600
well two months later and we're going to

551
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,299
get to that very shortly during the mass

552
00:21:15,289 --> 00:21:12,960
saying March 13th 1997 thousands of

553
00:21:17,930 --> 00:21:15,299
people would describe what they saw as

554
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,940
five lights in a V formation with two

555
00:21:21,529 --> 00:21:19,200
trailing lights

556
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:21,539
this is two months before the mass lady

557
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:24,059
and as I continued photographing them it

558
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,039
seemed that whatever I was photographing

559
00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:28,799
head on turned into a v-shape you can

560
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:31,140
see it right there and you know I didn't

561
00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:32,580
sleep well that night but I got up the

562
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,500
next morning I figured you know what

563
00:21:38,210 --> 00:21:36,600
there must be a logical explanation for

564
00:21:40,010 --> 00:21:38,220
this I'll just search it out the night

565
00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:40,020
before as the three were disappearing

566
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,940
from underneath I called the Arizona

567
00:21:45,169 --> 00:21:43,799
Republic and I said you got to get

568
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:45,179
somebody out there quick there's strange

569
00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:46,919
lights in front of South Mountain it's

570
00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:49,320
massive please get a picture of it and

571
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:51,720
tell me what it is they were gone so the

572
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:53,280
first call I made the next morning was

573
00:21:56,990 --> 00:21:55,020
to the Arizona Republic and I said did

574
00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:57,000
anybody call last night to report

575
00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:59,880
strange lights in front of SAS Mountain

576
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:02,100
she gets off she comes right back on she

577
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,260
said nope nobody called well I know I

578
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,720
called so I said well I said my husband

579
00:22:10,909 --> 00:22:08,940
and I did see something strange we even

580
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:10,919
got pictures of it who can I find out

581
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:13,440
from what this might have been she says

582
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:15,960
well sometimes Luke Air Force Base sends

583
00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:18,120
experimental Maneuvers out and they

584
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:19,640
don't tell the public about it I thought

585
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,260
that sounds reasonable I call them try

586
00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:24,480
to be very professional my husband and I

587
00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:26,039
are both Physicians we live now inside

588
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:28,200
of Paradise Valley we saw some strange

589
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,700
lights in front of South Mountain last

590
00:22:32,450 --> 00:22:31,200
night where the airport is

591
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,460
um do you know

592
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:34,080
um what they might have been and from

593
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:36,780
the get-go she had an attitude and she

594
00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:37,980
said they didn't come into Luke Air

595
00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:39,000
Force Base they didn't come out from

596
00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:41,100
here so we had nothing to do with them I

597
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,080
said be that as it may we did see

598
00:22:47,149 --> 00:22:45,240
something strange I did get pictures of

599
00:22:48,169 --> 00:22:47,159
them who can I contact to find out what

600
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:48,179
it might have been I'm sure it's a

601
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,340
logical explanation she says well you

602
00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:51,840
said it was near the airport maybe they

603
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,179
saw something there haha now it was a

604
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:56,159
mission which was very not unlike me I

605
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:58,679
have to say I called the FAA

606
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,960
and I got a very nice operator on the

607
00:23:04,130 --> 00:23:02,460
phone told her the same thing she says

608
00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:04,140
well you know there was a group here

609
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,700
last night and they did mention that

610
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:07,440
they saw some strange lights I said oh

611
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,780
could you please see if you can get one

612
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:11,940
of them on the phone just to confirm

613
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:14,100
again the sciences and they confirmed

614
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:15,539
that we saw the same

615
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:18,900
you think so it took forever finally

616
00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:21,539
this guy gets on the phone very low key

617
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,159
because we met him afterwards at Village

618
00:23:26,990 --> 00:23:25,440
labs for a briefing he was more excited

619
00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:27,000
than me he said did you see the success

620
00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:27,960
where you put different from each other

621
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,400
hovering an information last night at 8

622
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:31,440
30. I said yes that's why I'm calling he

623
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:32,880
said actually there were three at eight

624
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:35,220
o'clock I said I saw that too he said

625
00:23:40,850 --> 00:23:38,520
when they popped up mind you over Class

626
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:40,860
B restricted airspace there's a 30 mile

627
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:42,299
radius around the center of the airport

628
00:23:46,730 --> 00:23:44,760
anything that comes into that air space

629
00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:46,740
particularly a thousand feet altitude

630
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,980
and five miles away must call into the

631
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,380
tower and no one did so they looked on

632
00:23:57,169 --> 00:23:55,200
radar did not show up on radar and they

633
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,179
got nervous and then they disappeared

634
00:24:01,549 --> 00:23:59,520
when the six popped up it was a massive

635
00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:01,559
spent he said then they really got

636
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:03,240
nervous they looked on radar didn't show

637
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:05,940
up on radar same spot 100 000 feet

638
00:24:09,409 --> 00:24:07,559
altitude over Class B restricted

639
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,419
airspace and they took their

640
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:11,400
high-powered binoculars to look and in

641
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:13,080
their his own words he said there were

642
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:14,760
six points of light totally equal

643
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,280
distance from each other or massive span

644
00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:20,159
over a mile wide that seemed to be

645
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,720
attached to something

646
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,880
but they couldn't quite see what these

647
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:26,400
lights were attached to or had a force

648
00:24:30,529 --> 00:24:28,200
field holding them a rock solid

649
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,539
formation and he was a meteorologist

650
00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:33,840
lucky enough that he said also

651
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:36,659
interesting was that the entire thing

652
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:40,320
turned as a unit Against the Wind very

653
00:24:46,909 --> 00:24:43,740
important data elevated slowly and moved

654
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:46,919
in synchrony behind South Mountain so I

655
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:49,740
said so what was it and he said beats me

656
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:51,059
I said you're an air traffic control

657
00:24:54,350 --> 00:24:52,440
you're supposed to know it's in our

658
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,360
airspace he was very they were very

659
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:56,220
forthcoming initially another guy came

660
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,960
out to Florida too that saw them both

661
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:59,159
times

662
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,260
um that they ruled out every

663
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:03,960
conventional everything

664
00:25:09,230 --> 00:25:06,539
the craft balloons Chinese lanterns

665
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,240
flares even skydivers with lights we

666
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:11,340
kept in contact up into an including

667
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:13,980
March 13th which for me was just another

668
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,960
night I'm going to get to that in a

669
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,000
second six months before the mass

670
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,220
sighting

671
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:22,799
I happen to be asked to present my

672
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,360
Substance Abuse Prevention education

673
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:26,100
program at the Gila Bend Indian

674
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,900
Reservation which is in between South

675
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:30,000
Mountain and the Estrella Mountain Range

676
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,340
there's a basin in there very sacred

677
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:34,740
ground and this is important why I'm

678
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:36,659
sharing it now because

679
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:39,779
um this is an added little tidbit that I

680
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,900
think is really vital to the story

681
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:45,360
um they don't talk to Outsiders but I

682
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:48,419
help them out and after all I was taking

683
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,299
all these pictures and again in science

684
00:25:57,169 --> 00:25:53,820
we look for repeatability just look at

685
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,179
the data these phenomena these UAP keep

686
00:26:01,010 --> 00:25:59,760
popping up right where South Mountain in

687
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:01,020
the Australians intersect so I called

688
00:26:04,970 --> 00:26:02,700
the principal and I said did anybody see

689
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,980
strange lights on March 13th and he

690
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,539
started to giggle and I said is that

691
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:08,159
funny he said are you kidding we've been

692
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,659
looking up at them for centuries we call

693
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:12,779
them Sky people light beings I had no

694
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:16,679
idea and uh as it turned out

695
00:26:22,190 --> 00:26:20,159
um he says to me that uh you know that's

696
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:22,200
not only have they been seeing them for

697
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:26,039
centuries and looking up in the sky

698
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,820
um at them on March 13th but also that's

699
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:31,740
how the Australia's got its name it

700
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:34,380
means star in Spanish gateway to the

701
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,779
stars and there's petroglyphs etched out

702
00:26:41,149 --> 00:26:39,120
drawings of the same exact thing that my

703
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,159
husband and I saw one South Mountain of

704
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,039
the three oars in a pyramid or triangle

705
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:46,080
formation and they believe there's a

706
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,860
portal or Gateway in that area I put

707
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:52,200
that out there decide for yourself but

708
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:53,700
the fact is that these phenomena keep

709
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,340
popping up in the same location okay now

710
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,080
we fast forward

711
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:00,480
a couple weeks before the mass sighting

712
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:03,240
it was getting ridiculous my husband was

713
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,600
not uh he was getting agitated every

714
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:08,640
time I saw these lights the scientists

715
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,620
in me felt like I had to document them

716
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,200
on film so I started showing the video

717
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,080
to my friends and this is how close I

718
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,299
was guys a friend of a friend had a

719
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,700
neighbor who had a friend who knew the

720
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,039
past president of mufon mutual UFO

721
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,480
Network which I had never heard of

722
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,059
before I called him up I said I'm seeing

723
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:28,740
these strange lights he didn't hear

724
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:30,600
about it but there were other people

725
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,940
along with myself that were seeing them

726
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,980
and documenting them on film one even

727
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,320
called move on up to their balcony the

728
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,000
night of the mass sighting and they put

729
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:40,980
an arrowhead of five likes just look at

730
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,740
that video they're attached to something

731
00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:45,659
or have a force field holding on Rock

732
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:47,820
Solid formation and I said I have a

733
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,520
picture from 95 that I'd like somebody

734
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,380
of credence to take a look at he refers

735
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,000
me to a field investigator for the

736
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:57,120
following uh Wednesday who calls me on

737
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,080
Tuesday

738
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,940
to postpone because the then state

739
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:01,320
director wanted to be there and his mom

740
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:03,900
had passed on Saturday Wednesday was the

741
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,059
funeral the only window of opportunity I

742
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:08,279
had for another two three weeks was

743
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:09,900
Friday morning at 10 o'clock he said

744
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:12,840
fine I knock on his door he opens the

745
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,360
door the first thing he says to me did

746
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:17,400
you see the Man sighting last night

747
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:19,500
and I said well I saw something similar

748
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,380
to what I told you I saw two months ago

749
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,840
in fact not only did I take video of it

750
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,299
last night but I called air traffic

751
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,520
controllers to confirm because it looked

752
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:31,380
like the same exact phenomena the same

753
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:32,940
exact location and they confirmed that

754
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,179
it was plus a couple Pilots called in a

755
00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:38,940
commercial airline pilot on uh departure

756
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:40,500
that said what the hell are these lights

757
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:43,020
over me that's significant okay right

758
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:46,860
over the tarmac and a Private Pilot who

759
00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:48,659
he didn't say his name but we'll get to

760
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,400
that a little later who came forward

761
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:52,320
just a couple years ago

762
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,140
um who was actually reporting deciding

763
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,140
while I was filming it and he said NBC

764
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,539
was coming to interview him in a half an

765
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:02,940
hour well I have done Health reporting

766
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:05,940
for NBC in Philadelphia in 76 and in

767
00:29:09,649 --> 00:29:08,220
Phoenix in the early 80s and I said to

768
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:09,659
him look I don't know what we're dealing

769
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,799
with here a hoax or military or whatever

770
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:16,020
um it's not about me it's about the diet

771
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:17,880
it's never been about me it's about the

772
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:20,640
data I said I have a video take a copy

773
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:22,020
of the video

774
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,640
um by the time I got out there there

775
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:25,440
were six lights that popped up first but

776
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:27,899
but the the camera wasn't focused and

777
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,340
then by the time I got it focused there

778
00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,919
were three endpoints of a giant v or

779
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,480
triangle I said share it with whoever

780
00:29:38,269 --> 00:29:36,720
you like I'm out of here and I left by

781
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,279
four o'clock that afternoon when the

782
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,320
first news came on I didn't even know if

783
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,779
they were going to cover it breaking

784
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,779
news with my video on every news station

785
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,700
it was really exciting absolutely

786
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,100
because having seen these things for two

787
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:52,080
years and documenting one film now

788
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,880
people were saying what we saw by the

789
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,620
nine o'clock news there were a couple

790
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:57,299
other videos that came forward a

791
00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:59,880
boomerang video and that Arrowhead video

792
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:01,980
which are even more spectacular than

793
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,500
mine and I'm learning that you know

794
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:06,480
thousands of people hundreds or if not

795
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:07,799
thousands of people

796
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,980
had been outside and here's where he

797
00:30:14,409 --> 00:30:12,600
gets the to the mass sightings when we

798
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:14,419
get into it yes

799
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,980
and I apologize if I'm if I'm going

800
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,240
physically I know we have to squeeze a

801
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:19,919
lot in an hour

802
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,179
um but I want your audience to hear

803
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:22,799
because it's a story unfold it's really

804
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:25,799
really intriguing but at any rate

805
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,720
um about thousands of people

806
00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:30,360
we're outside looking up purposely at

807
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:32,520
the sky for a glimpse of the hail Bop

808
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:36,419
comet on March 13 1997. they also put a

809
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:40,500
glimpse of mile to eight mile wide

810
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,600
according to Peter Davenport director of

811
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:44,520
the National UFO Reporting Center from

812
00:30:49,850 --> 00:30:46,559
his data that he's collected for 25

813
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,860
years either of these orbs in Rock Solid

814
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,260
formation in v formation triangle

815
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,840
formation Boomerang formation or actual

816
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,000
craft and here's where it also gets very

817
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,640
interesting because after a 12-year

818
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,620
study and there's so much Miss and

819
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,120
disinformation out there I'm so glad

820
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:05,700
your your audience is hearing this

821
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:08,460
because it's important data after a

822
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,340
12-year study meticulous study of

823
00:31:16,610 --> 00:31:13,500
hundreds of reports two or more people

824
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:16,620
had to see the same craft to be in the

825
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:17,700
study

826
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,940
it ended up that there were 10 different

827
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:23,700
craft that were reported now

828
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:25,380
whether it was one craft that could

829
00:31:30,409 --> 00:31:27,659
morph or the perspective from where the

830
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,419
person was standing or a parade and

831
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,600
that's Vital Information because not

832
00:31:36,889 --> 00:31:34,919
only were there multiple things

833
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:36,899
happening and if you go on the Gap page

834
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:39,960
Gap geospatial animation project you'll

835
00:31:46,669 --> 00:31:42,899
see beautiful illustrations of all 10

836
00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:46,679
craft plus animations but the main thing

837
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:48,539
is that

838
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,600
there were so many things going on at

839
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:54,059
the same time and not for just a couple

840
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:55,799
hours and I understand how the media

841
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,580
just picked up on the 8 to 10 period

842
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,960
because that's when most people were

843
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,899
outside looking up at the sky and then

844
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:05,520
saw something unusual and called the

845
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,279
news and whatever but in reality the

846
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,679
mass sighting began at 3 P.M in the

847
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,419
afternoon daylight sightings in Arizona

848
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:15,120
five o'clock hour Native Americans were

849
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:16,740
seeing the same thing in New Mexico

850
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,380
seven o'clock hour and Beyond in

851
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,600
California 10 o'clock hour there were

852
00:32:26,330 --> 00:32:23,640
two commercial airline pilots that

853
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:26,340
called into radar to report one of these

854
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,620
massive craft covering Las Vegas and the

855
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:33,120
reports continued and the sightings

856
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:35,159
continued until 5 30 the next morning

857
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:37,860
the last report I know of personally

858
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,559
from a Boeing crewman the head of the

859
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,899
unit actually shared with me that they

860
00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,159
were coming into Sky Harbor

861
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,620
International Airport for work at 5 30

862
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:48,299
next morning and one of these massive

863
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,000
crap was covering their tarmac so we're

864
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,159
talking about not two hours not two

865
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,039
events many events over a dozen hours

866
00:33:04,130 --> 00:32:59,760
and over four states Nevada New Mexico

867
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,140
California and Arizona and even though

868
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:07,679
this all happened on March 13th

869
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,919
at 3 A.M that afternoon that morning

870
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:13,200
there was a call to the National UFO

871
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,519
Reporting Center we have part of that

872
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:16,740
recording very professional from an

873
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:18,659
alleged crewman from Luke Air Force Base

874
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:20,100
because now we're going to get into

875
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:22,799
technology here that was unbelievably

876
00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:27,779
absurd who reported in great detail that

877
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,539
Jets were sent out at 8 30 PM that night

878
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:33,360
to intercept and get gun camera film of

879
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:35,580
one of these massive over mile widecraft

880
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,760
hovering over Central Phoenix 7th Avenue

881
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:40,980
and Indian School as they got close and

882
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,559
approached the light started to dim and

883
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,779
then the entire thing blinked out and

884
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,460
freaked out one of the pilots who this

885
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:49,620
alleged crewman said he helped out of

886
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,940
his aircraft

887
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,620
um so there is much more to the story

888
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:54,659
and we're talking a craft that

889
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,519
disappeared and we're talking people

890
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:58,679
were right under this craft we have a

891
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,260
wonderful pilot who saw I mean we're

892
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,240
talking gunmetal and windows some people

893
00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:05,340
saw beings at the windows some people

894
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,460
got telepathic messages not to worry I

895
00:34:13,849 --> 00:34:10,740
mean this was a parade a major parade

896
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:13,859
also if you look at that Gap page gap on

897
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,240
the Phoenix Lights Network website

898
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,280
you'll see one of the crafts split in

899
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,560
two and then shot straight up some

900
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:21,960
people saw these ords detached from the

901
00:34:25,849 --> 00:34:23,339
main object go out into the environment

902
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,859
and then Red Dot with it later is that

903
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:27,599
what happened in 95

904
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:29,820
I don't know but nonetheless we have

905
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,399
numerous people who saw this

906
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:35,159
um as well as there was no sound

907
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,859
totally silent which was very eerie to

908
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:40,020
people because it was so massive where

909
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,359
was the propulsion of this thing plus

910
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,399
the fact that

911
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,560
um when some people saw it take off at

912
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,020
blink speed didn't even disperse the air

913
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,320
so we're talking Technology Way Beyond

914
00:34:58,910 --> 00:34:55,020
anything that we have even seen in 25

915
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:58,920
years okay you would think and who knows

916
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:01,140
you know what's out there but you would

917
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,300
think if anyone had this kind of

918
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:05,339
Technology especially the vicarious

919
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:07,619
situation we are in the world today that

920
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:10,619
they would show their prowess right guys

921
00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:14,640
yeah technology anyways right yeah yeah

922
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:16,200
I mean we're talking incredible

923
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,020
technology here and yay as the story

924
00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:22,260
unfolds there was no investigation

925
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,980
no explanation it was uncanny when when

926
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:28,200
anybody officially was asked about it

927
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,400
they said what something happened on

928
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,920
March 13th it was just absurd when we're

929
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:34,020
talking rooftop levels some people said

930
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:35,940
they could have thrown a rock at it it

931
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:39,359
was that close and yet there was nothing

932
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,880
until May okay and I'm just telling you

933
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:43,500
the tip of the iceberg here but it's so

934
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,760
interesting how the story unfolded

935
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,560
because by May

936
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:49,140
there was a councilwoman for Phoenix

937
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,740
vice mayor Francis Emma barwood who

938
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,780
innocently she didn't see it but so many

939
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,220
of her constituents over a thousand

940
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:58,800
constituents contacted her and say this

941
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:01,079
went over my head why isn't it just a

942
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,820
public safety issue why isn't there an

943
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,160
investigation she asked for one and was

944
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,740
plastered by the media I was so happy to

945
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,960
stay anonymous for seven years because

946
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,700
there was so much ridicule so much

947
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,099
snickering so much discrediting going on

948
00:36:19,069 --> 00:36:16,740
it was really scary to come forward but

949
00:36:22,990 --> 00:36:19,079
she you know plugged away I mean she was

950
00:36:25,849 --> 00:36:23,000
unbelievable and in her um

951
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:25,859
venture to to get answers for the

952
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,040
Phoenix Lights and yet you know once she

953
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,200
came forward and there were jokes in the

954
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,599
paper about her and Etc et cetera um

955
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,420
many people stayed back okay

956
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:38,640
um in fact I called her because I had

957
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:42,839
seen a a news clip of the Phoenix New

958
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:45,240
Phoenix Police Department

959
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:47,460
um who admitted that they had a lot of

960
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:49,500
calls but in print they said they didn't

961
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,060
get any calls I mean it was just uncanny

962
00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:53,520
what was happening right okay that's

963
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:54,680
four

964
00:37:02,329 --> 00:36:59,339
June 18th 1997. suddenly there's a front

965
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,339
page article in USA Today for the first

966
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:05,220
time people outside of Arizona were

967
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,940
hearing about the Phoenix Lights and not

968
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,619
only did it go viral we didn't have

969
00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:13,680
social media and then overnight it went

970
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,700
viral by the morning every national news

971
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:19,859
Morning Show uh Peter Jennings Dan

972
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,720
Rather you name it we're talking about

973
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,000
the Phoenix Lights and we were inundated

974
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:26,880
overnight by media from all over the

975
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:28,859
world and once they started talking to

976
00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:31,800
the witnesses their descriptions were so

977
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:35,220
detailed and so heartfelt that they too

978
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,900
were saying why isn't there an

979
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,760
investigation why isn't there an

980
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:41,220
explanation for the first time later

981
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:43,560
that morning the morning after the 19th

982
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,099
after the USA Today article suddenly

983
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:49,859
we get a public announcement on the news

984
00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:53,579
on the radio that then Governor Fife

985
00:37:59,150 --> 00:37:56,460
Simington was calling for an unscheduled

986
00:38:02,329 --> 00:37:59,160
press conference that afternoon to

987
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,339
reveal the culprit of the lights over

988
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:04,079
Phoenix and people took it seriously

989
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:05,880
including myself I was looking for any

990
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:08,520
logical explanation he comes walking out

991
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:11,760
one of his aides with a giant head alien

992
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:14,640
costume and made a mockery of the

993
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:16,619
slating which was not only very

994
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,079
disconcerting for the witnesses that saw

995
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:21,599
up close personal like myself but

996
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:23,099
particularly parents that were with

997
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,900
children that saw something two and

998
00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:27,000
three moles wide and he's making a joke

999
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,099
out of it and he did mention that you

1000
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:31,740
know people were Panic no no no this is

1001
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:35,280
important there is not one not one

1002
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:36,660
credible report

1003
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,020
of harm threat or abduction associated

1004
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,760
with the Phoenix Lights phenomena I

1005
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,619
can't speak for other things cannot

1006
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,480
speak for other things but can about the

1007
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,119
Phoenix Lights and not only on March

1008
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:50,160
13th but we're talking centuries

1009
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,500
according to the Native Americans that

1010
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,780
these orbs have been appearing for

1011
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:56,700
centuries many of them think that their

1012
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,260
spirit world coming to give them

1013
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,480
guidance and comfort and knowledge and

1014
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:02,579
inspiration and I have certainly been

1015
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:05,700
inspired by them obviously but besides

1016
00:39:09,290 --> 00:39:06,540
that

1017
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:09,300
what people were Furious but it put a

1018
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:12,540
lid on it for a bit okay but not for me

1019
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:15,240
I called every military base that next

1020
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,460
month tried to get the highest that I

1021
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,380
could in in military

1022
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:20,880
they were more interested in meeting

1023
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:22,980
with me and seeing what I documented on

1024
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,900
film and giving an explanation in fact

1025
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:27,240
they were just as curious one of them

1026
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:29,460
even said well the only ones that know

1027
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:31,980
this or God and whoever did this I mean

1028
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:35,400
come on and then I get a call

1029
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,380
a month later after the USA Today

1030
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:39,780
article on July 24th from one of the

1031
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,579
heads of PR at the Air National Guard

1032
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,560
and she says oh Dr Lynn I think we know

1033
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:45,060
what those lights were back in March and

1034
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,740
I was thrilled again I was looking for

1035
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,140
any logical explanation she said do you

1036
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,660
believe that in all these months nobody

1037
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:53,760
ever looked at the log for visiting Air

1038
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,380
National Guard and the Maryland Air

1039
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,480
National Guard was in town sending off

1040
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,000
military illumination flares in

1041
00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:02,640
operation Snowbird which I later found

1042
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:05,339
out means diversionary tactical

1043
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,280
Maneuvers and military terms so they may

1044
00:40:11,630 --> 00:40:10,079
have been sending off flares to divert

1045
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,640
attention away from the two unknowns but

1046
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,140
it's certainly not what thousands of

1047
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,640
people saw

1048
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:17,760
um but she says that must be what some

1049
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:20,520
people saw so I said wait a minute when

1050
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,140
was the Maryland Air National Guard in

1051
00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:24,420
town she said March she said March 1st

1052
00:40:28,490 --> 00:40:26,579
to the 15th I said were they in town in

1053
00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:28,500
January she said oh no I said are you

1054
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,859
sure she said absolutely not I said well

1055
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:33,599
my husband and I witnessed and

1056
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:36,300
photographed the same exact phenomenon

1057
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:39,359
over the same exact location two months

1058
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:41,099
before the mass site and confirmed the

1059
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:43,079
next morning in January and the morning

1060
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:45,300
after the mass sighting as appearing

1061
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,820
over Class B restricted airspace a

1062
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:49,740
thousand feet altitude and she says you

1063
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,240
never told me that because I never told

1064
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,000
him details I said besides you're trying

1065
00:40:58,849 --> 00:40:56,280
to tell me that flares and by then again

1066
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:58,859
I I tried to educate myself to anything

1067
00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,359
logical

1068
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:03,180
um that are dropped from aircraft on a

1069
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,260
parachute that drift and drop in seconds

1070
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,579
haphazardly to the ground have huge

1071
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:10,619
smoke trails that are illuminated by the

1072
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,140
flare itself and illuminate the area

1073
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,400
around it that's what they're meant for

1074
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,960
is the heat sinking so missiles will go

1075
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,000
to them instead of the aircraft right I

1076
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:20,700
said so you're telling me that Flair

1077
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,579
they cannot keep a formation for more

1078
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:25,440
than maybe a couple minutes tops

1079
00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:28,500
Traverse the entire state in a rock

1080
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:32,700
solid equidistantly spaced mile y v for

1081
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:36,180
hours and she says uh I have a call

1082
00:41:41,050 --> 00:41:37,740
coming and I'll get back to you well I'm

1083
00:41:45,470 --> 00:41:43,430
you mentioned that it was against the

1084
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,480
wind as well so if these things were

1085
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,400
dropped they'd be going against the wind

1086
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,500
right and they wouldn't stay perfectly

1087
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:51,359
equally and they wouldn't say that they

1088
00:41:55,310 --> 00:41:52,740
wouldn't all move in unison they

1089
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,320
wouldn't span four states I mean this is

1090
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,119
the swamp gas of the Phoenix Lights

1091
00:42:02,030 --> 00:41:59,280
let's be honest there you go there you

1092
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:02,040
go and three years later to confirm that

1093
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:04,200
you ready and people don't know this

1094
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,740
happen except locally

1095
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,020
Francis Ford was then running for

1096
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,240
Secretary of State to get answers for

1097
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,400
the lights over Phoenix and asking

1098
00:42:19,930 --> 00:42:17,760
brilliantly for reenactment hey I'm open

1099
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:19,940
I'm a show me person if it was military

1100
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,460
do it again right shame on you for

1101
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,740
denying it for months and for doing it

1102
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,240
right over people's heads but

1103
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:29,520
nonetheless if it was military show us

1104
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:30,839
right

1105
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:35,160
get a public announcement that three

1106
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:36,599
international guards were coming into

1107
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,520
town to show everyone the Phoenix Lights

1108
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:40,260
now whether they thought it would defuse

1109
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,140
the issue or confuse the issue it well

1110
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:44,640
talk about a joke

1111
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:48,599
it what was a total failure for the

1112
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:49,980
military in fact it was supposed to do a

1113
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:51,780
two-week run and they scrapped it after

1114
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:54,119
that night because if you go to the news

1115
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,560
page on the Phoenix Lights Network

1116
00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:57,839
website and scroll down a bit you'll see

1117
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,020
a block there that says AZ family they

1118
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:03,599
got video of what they tried to do they

1119
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:05,339
tried to make a triangle it was upside

1120
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:07,319
down and fell apart immediately one of

1121
00:43:12,829 --> 00:43:09,960
them just fizzled out actually

1122
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,839
um it was a travesty for them I mean it

1123
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,540
really put the nail in the in the coffin

1124
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:17,760
um besides the fact that no one to date

1125
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,460
has described what flares do okay they

1126
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:22,319
throw the two unknowns

1127
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:24,300
um the Phoenix Lights have never been

1128
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,440
recreated

1129
00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:28,560
or explain to this day although they

1130
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,560
continue to appear worldwide in fact one

1131
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,960
of the craft in the illustrations if you

1132
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:36,240
look at it it's like a V with every

1133
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,280
light is three lights I found a video

1134
00:43:44,210 --> 00:43:40,740
that a civilian took a month before our

1135
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:44,220
Mass site in St Petersburg Russia they

1136
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,900
had a massillating and the air traffic

1137
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:48,000
controllers also reported it over their

1138
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:52,560
tarmac the same exact craft okay so I

1139
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,300
mean these are worldwide and have been

1140
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,859
hearing not only for centuries we didn't

1141
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,140
even get into that because I had no idea

1142
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:01,440
that these phenomena had been with us

1143
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:04,020
for since human documentation began in

1144
00:44:08,329 --> 00:44:06,119
Sumerian writings and India ratings and

1145
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:08,339
even in the Bible ezekiel's wheel and

1146
00:44:13,250 --> 00:44:11,339
you fast forward to the uh 15th and 16th

1147
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:13,260
centuries and we have pictures of and

1148
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:15,060
frescoes the people living up at the sky

1149
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:17,880
was what we would call a UFO with beings

1150
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,640
in the UFO and then fast forward again a

1151
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:22,740
hundred years before our Mass lighting

1152
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,380
there was another last rating in Kansas

1153
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,020
California Washington and Canada of a

1154
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,599
massive they called it a massive Airship

1155
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:33,240
that had removable life

1156
00:44:36,770 --> 00:44:35,099
sound familiar

1157
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:36,780
that was six years before the Wright

1158
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:40,200
brothers took flight and then Foo

1159
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:42,780
Fighters in World War II in fact I

1160
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,480
conferred with Dr Richard Haynes who was

1161
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:48,180
one of the heads of narcap that reported

1162
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:51,000
uh pilot sightings and in World War II

1163
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,500
each side thought the other side had

1164
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,839
these Advanced spy technology these orbs

1165
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,940
and Rock Solid formations around their

1166
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,800
aircraft it wasn't until after the war

1167
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,960
that everybody found out that nobody had

1168
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,359
this is by technology and then you fast

1169
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,560
forward again

1170
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:06,960
and in the 80s and 90s we have Hudson

1171
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:08,040
Valley

1172
00:45:11,569 --> 00:45:09,900
um Belgium which is an example of what

1173
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,579
should happen they're a model because

1174
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,400
they had the uh scientists and

1175
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:16,680
University and

1176
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:19,500
um uh military and civilians get

1177
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,240
together and try to study these

1178
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:23,099
phenomena that's what should happen and

1179
00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:25,319
of course UK and then

1180
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,240
um Stephenville I mean these things are

1181
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,640
happening worldwide then we fast forward

1182
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,560
right after the 10th anniversary and

1183
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:33,300
again I'm just telling a major major

1184
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,160
highlights here

1185
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:38,220
the former Governor by Simonton who had

1186
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:41,819
mocked the site in 97 came forward

1187
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:44,640
bravely for whatever reason to disclose

1188
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:47,940
that he actually witnessed one of these

1189
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:50,940
mile-wide crafts and as a awarded

1190
00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:52,619
military pilot it definitely wasn't

1191
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:55,020
players and in his own word and you

1192
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:56,460
would hear this word

1193
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,500
constantly from other countries are much

1194
00:46:01,609 --> 00:46:00,720
more open to these phenomena as being

1195
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:01,619
real

1196
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,760
he said it was other worldly okay that's

1197
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:07,859
a very important word then we fast

1198
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:11,640
forward again right after 2017 the

1199
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:14,280
article big article which I'm I know you

1200
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,960
guys are very familiar with in New York

1201
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,060
Times it divulges to Harry Reid 22

1202
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:19,980
million dollar study

1203
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:21,060
um and of course they've been studying

1204
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,579
it for decades but finally they admitted

1205
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:26,640
they were studying these UAP

1206
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:28,980
um shortly after that

1207
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:31,260
the pilot the Private Pilot who had

1208
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,240
called into the airport while I was

1209
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:36,480
filming it came forward too and it was

1210
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,280
Kurt Russell the actor

1211
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,520
and his UK report which is really

1212
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:42,839
telling

1213
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:44,819
um is on the website as well on the news

1214
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,619
page the Phoenix Lights Network website

1215
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,420
so I invite people to take a peek at it

1216
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:50,880
it's really cool so you know the story

1217
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:54,119
continues to evolve and I really

1218
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:55,560
appreciate thank you for letting me

1219
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,460
share

1220
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,079
um you know with your audience how the

1221
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,780
story uh unfolded but there is so much

1222
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,480
more to this story and one of the things

1223
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,280
that really prompted me to come forward

1224
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,440
I went back to work at the Arizona Heart

1225
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,119
Institute wellness and imaging center as

1226
00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:11,160
a chief clinical consultant of the heart

1227
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,319
test the calcium in your in your

1228
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,079
arteries and behind closed doors I took

1229
00:47:21,069 --> 00:47:18,960
that 750 page journal and started

1230
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,079
editing it down to the most credible

1231
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,720
scientific and and compelling data that

1232
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:26,520
I had found and finally after much soul

1233
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,579
searching I mean in reality how could I

1234
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:31,680
stick it in a drawer which I really

1235
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:33,060
thought about doing by the way and

1236
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,319
showing it to my grandchildren years

1237
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:37,020
from now but I had 35 millimeter that I

1238
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,540
went to extremely military and

1239
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,880
University level to have explained to me

1240
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:44,220
and no one can plus there was so much

1241
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,900
Miss and disinformation I mean once the

1242
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:48,359
flare Theory came out people ate it up I

1243
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,560
mean people that were looking for a

1244
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:51,839
logic of oxidation I get it I get it but

1245
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,579
there's so much more to this story so

1246
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,260
thank you again for letting me share at

1247
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,119
least this little tidbit of it there is

1248
00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:59,400
much more and again the book I I

1249
00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:01,980
squeezed down to 230 Pages the first

1250
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:04,380
edition which is there I will not do

1251
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:06,839
another book because that every word is

1252
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:08,700
there for a reason I keep adding

1253
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:11,220
chapters as the story unfolds and we're

1254
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,780
in its fourth print

1255
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:14,640
um so you know I invite people to take a

1256
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,500
peek at that and of course explore and

1257
00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,420
consider what's on the website that's

1258
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:20,040
packed with information

1259
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,140
so I would ask what what do you think

1260
00:48:27,710 --> 00:48:24,240
was about that particular time frame you

1261
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:27,720
know 95 to 97 what caused this flap why

1262
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,339
were they so prevalent why was there so

1263
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:31,800
much activity you know do you have any

1264
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:34,020
insight on that okay

1265
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,160
um again these things have been

1266
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:38,220
appearing for centuries okay and there's

1267
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:40,200
a lot of activity I work with Navajo

1268
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,940
Rangers now

1269
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:44,220
um who were very forthcoming at one of

1270
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,900
the conferences and I that they had a

1271
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,940
sighting the day before ours that they

1272
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,319
thought would be a big sighting these

1273
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,420
orbs going around in circles and they're

1274
00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:53,040
very open to it the whole town came out

1275
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:55,380
with chairs and watched it for over an

1276
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,480
hour with their lawn chairs

1277
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:59,579
um they're happening all over let's be

1278
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,859
clear about that as far as the mass

1279
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,480
sightings concerned

1280
00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,400
um my own feeling is that whoever did

1281
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:07,619
this and I don't know who did this I

1282
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,540
don't know who they are I just know that

1283
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,520
they are and again it's time we get this

1284
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,380
out in the open yeah so we can address

1285
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,359
it and accept it and study it so we can

1286
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,640
find out who is driving these things and

1287
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:19,440
also move forward in our own Evolution

1288
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:22,440
because we're right in the precipice of

1289
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:25,260
like the Flat Earth time okay of going

1290
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:27,420
to that next step and really realizing

1291
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,180
that there is so much to the story of

1292
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,920
the Phoenix Lights first of all whoever

1293
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,880
did this

1294
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:35,220
wanted to wake us up to their presence

1295
00:49:39,470 --> 00:49:38,280
in a very gentle non-threatening way my

1296
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,480
own feeling is that they've had it with

1297
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,040
the government military they wanted to

1298
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:43,380
show themselves okay and touch one

1299
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:45,240
person at a time which they did because

1300
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:46,680
we'll talk about that in a second and

1301
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:49,640
touched people in a very deep very deep

1302
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,579
profound level across the board but they

1303
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,160
also wanted to wake us up to who we are

1304
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:58,500
as human beings and we have so much more

1305
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:01,619
potential that we're not being told as

1306
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:02,760
well

1307
00:50:07,210 --> 00:50:04,680
um we're we're in our little reality box

1308
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:07,220
here to make this world a better world

1309
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,760
and well in my inquiries there were a

1310
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,319
number of people this is an important

1311
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,599
aspect half the book is about this

1312
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:18,240
that it had near-death experiences as

1313
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:20,940
children that was reawakened by the mass

1314
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:24,180
sighting and I found that very profound

1315
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,520
because I did too and I lay it all out

1316
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,460
there and there in fact I met three

1317
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,640
beings at eight years old in giant

1318
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,240
glowing White Rose giant beings three of

1319
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,180
them in a row that I have felt have been

1320
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:42,720
with me ever since as my guides and I

1321
00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:45,780
meditate I have actually 10 ways to

1322
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,579
connect with these other intelligences

1323
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:49,680
in the book If people care to it is a

1324
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:52,380
choice and uh not trying to convince

1325
00:50:56,089 --> 00:50:54,180
anybody of anything it's a choice of

1326
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:56,099
each individual how you want to take

1327
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,460
this data but whenever I come to a

1328
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,960
crossword and we won't have time but

1329
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:02,640
I've come to quite a few including the

1330
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,099
Phoenix Lights where I meditate and ask

1331
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:07,380
for guidance I just get feelings

1332
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,559
Strong's feelings for things so you know

1333
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:12,780
again it's not about me I thought whoa

1334
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:15,300
could there be a connection between all

1335
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,619
unexplained phenomena whether it's

1336
00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,119
near-death experience Out of Body

1337
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,819
Experience unexplained aerial phenomena

1338
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,280
that have a mystical light associated

1339
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,440
with its experience and lo and behold

1340
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:26,880
when I started looking again I looked

1341
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,460
for the most credible data I found at

1342
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,440
University level the Omega project it's

1343
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,000
like this thick of like three or four

1344
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:35,460
inches thick like Dr Kenneth ring Dr

1345
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:37,800
John Mack at Harvard was also studying

1346
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:39,780
the connection and many others between

1347
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,660
all unexplained phenomena not only the

1348
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:44,880
experience I laid out very simply in the

1349
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,339
book is very similar whatever the

1350
00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:49,920
unexplained phenomena it's uncanny but

1351
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:52,859
the after effect the Awakening the

1352
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,380
enlightenment the connectiveness that

1353
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:57,900
one feels for the first time many people

1354
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:01,140
to the universe and to the Earth and to

1355
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,300
each other for the very first time I

1356
00:52:09,049 --> 00:52:05,760
have people still telling me 25 years

1357
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:09,059
later that they feel blessed to have had

1358
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:11,940
the Phoenix Lights experience in fact we

1359
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:15,240
are now doing a scientific study because

1360
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:16,619
I thought it was really important to

1361
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:21,660
quantitate not only these uh you know uh

1362
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,540
profound After Effects but even in Real

1363
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:26,400
Time We Touch on this in the in the

1364
00:52:31,569 --> 00:52:29,339
documentary that um we're so inundated

1365
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,579
with threat threat threat and harm harm

1366
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:34,020
that Dr Gary Schwartz the head of the

1367
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:35,280
conscious of study Department in the

1368
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,140
University of Arizona

1369
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:39,480
very poignant statement says if you're

1370
00:52:43,130 --> 00:52:41,700
primed to fear something how do you

1371
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:43,140
think you're going to react when you see

1372
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:45,960
that something and children who a lot

1373
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,220
many of them had just seen the movie

1374
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,200
Independence Day which was very popular

1375
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:52,140
at the time in 97 we're jumping up and

1376
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:53,579
down Independence Day independence day

1377
00:52:59,630 --> 00:52:57,119
but as it came closer

1378
00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,640
the calmness came over everyone

1379
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,760
a connectiveness to the phenomenon that

1380
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,559
after it passed they wanted to follow it

1381
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:05,940
they wanted their parents to get into

1382
00:53:11,809 --> 00:53:09,180
the car and Chase it in real time

1383
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:11,819
profound positive

1384
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:14,420
transformation I started calling all up

1385
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:17,339
unexplained phenomena and up because it

1386
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:20,099
is so positive our Consciousness whoever

1387
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,099
did this is definitely touching one

1388
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:24,960
person at a time and waking their

1389
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,680
Consciousness up to their presence and

1390
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,619
to the positive potentials we have as

1391
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,020
human beings to make this world a better

1392
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,720
world and the message across the board

1393
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,700
not only with the Phoenix Lights with

1394
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:40,800
many people but also with near-death

1395
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,440
experience is wake up to what you're

1396
00:53:48,890 --> 00:53:45,960
doing to your planet and yourselves

1397
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,900
before it's too late and if that's not

1398
00:53:52,370 --> 00:53:50,880
an important message to get across I

1399
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:52,380
don't know what is

1400
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:56,640
no even the uh the fact that we're being

1401
00:54:01,849 --> 00:53:59,460
not told the truth about what's really

1402
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:01,859
going on is a disservice to humanity

1403
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:04,740
because it's not telling us about the

1404
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,619
reality of the universe if they are here

1405
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,440
if we're again visited visitations from

1406
00:54:15,650 --> 00:54:13,200
some outside Source or From Another

1407
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:15,660
Dimension it doesn't matter it's a fact

1408
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:17,579
of revealing that to the general public

1409
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,800
to let them know hey this is what

1410
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:21,359
reality is like and this is what's

1411
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:23,339
really going on Louis do you have any

1412
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,260
final questions for our guests today no

1413
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,880
I just want to extend a very warm

1414
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,500
welcome we might have to do a 2.0

1415
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,960
because this is such a big phenomenon

1416
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:33,359
story you can condense it to an hour we

1417
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:34,980
like to keep our episodes around an hour

1418
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:37,500
so you get a nice little snippet but

1419
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:38,760
um you know just a wealth of information

1420
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:40,440
Dr Lynn we really appreciate you coming

1421
00:54:44,510 --> 00:54:42,540
on the show it's rare to have

1422
00:54:46,250 --> 00:54:44,520
science-minded people like yourself and

1423
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,260
I mean we have Avi lobe coming on in

1424
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,000
November so we're really making an

1425
00:54:52,730 --> 00:54:51,180
effort to get science-minded people

1426
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,740
um and not just people that think think

1427
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,480
they know but people that are humble

1428
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,339
enough to say I don't have a freaking

1429
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:58,079
clue but I know I'm going to find out

1430
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,520
and I want to help other people get

1431
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,980
there and bring that attention to this

1432
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:03,599
because a lot of people that reach out

1433
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,980
to us we get a lot of emails people

1434
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:06,839
share their experience we've had people

1435
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,000
say hey I've never told anybody this I'm

1436
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,559
embarrassed and at least I know you guys

1437
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,720
are open-minded it's cathartic for them

1438
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,480
just to get it off their chest so if we

1439
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:17,640
you know play a very small role in this

1440
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:19,619
whole thing then that's good enough for

1441
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:21,960
us and you are not only experiencer but

1442
00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:23,220
you've helped other people deal with

1443
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:25,800
theirs and yeah it's been a great show

1444
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:27,540
we're really impressed by your your

1445
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:28,920
knowledge and we'd love to have you back

1446
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:31,619
on again sometime absolutely and there

1447
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:33,480
is so much more in the book I have to

1448
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,819
tell you if people care to take a look

1449
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,500
at because they were talking about

1450
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:39,660
coincidences and paranormal activity

1451
00:55:44,750 --> 00:55:42,900
after the bad sighting that's like whoa

1452
00:55:47,690 --> 00:55:44,760
um and even automatic writing and all

1453
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:47,700
kinds of neat things but you hit on

1454
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:48,900
something that's the most important

1455
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:51,780
reason I came forward was to let people

1456
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:54,119
know it's okay okay to talk about this

1457
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:57,000
it's time we need to talk about this and

1458
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:58,800
it's wonderful that now the military and

1459
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,800
government are coming forward

1460
00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:03,599
um at least to let us know that there is

1461
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:05,579
something in our airspace something

1462
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:06,780
visiting us it's something that might

1463
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:09,059
have been here I mean look 70 of the

1464
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:10,920
earth is is ocean they could have been

1465
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,079
down at the bottom of the ocean that we

1466
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:15,660
can't reach for Millennia and and who

1467
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:17,160
knows what they are like you mentioned

1468
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,420
whether they're Interstellar or

1469
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:20,099
Interstellar Time Travelers

1470
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,500
interdimensional okay that we get

1471
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:25,079
glimpses of if we're open to them or

1472
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:26,460
invited

1473
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,740
um it's still a question that we need to

1474
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,920
study and we need to discover and I I so

1475
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:34,319
appreciate you letting me share this

1476
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:37,260
data and I hope people will look further

1477
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:39,180
um into the Phoenix Lights and go to the

1478
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,680
website it's packed with with

1479
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,140
information and actually the the um our

1480
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:44,940
award-winning documentary we're so proud

1481
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:47,460
of it it's a real Grassroots effort um

1482
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,220
it's now free on 2B if anybody has to be

1483
00:56:55,010 --> 00:56:53,040
and also Amazon Prime I believe it's

1484
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:55,020
still free on there too I just want to

1485
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,579
get the information out there so people

1486
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:58,319
can learn and grow and decide for

1487
00:57:02,750 --> 00:57:01,020
themselves how they want to accept this

1488
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:02,760
information or not

1489
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:04,619
um but it's out there now so thank you

1490
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:08,520
for letting me share it awesome Dr kitai

1491
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:10,200
we appreciate your time thank you so

1492
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,819
much for coming on the podcast

1493
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,920
and keep looking up you know now it's a

1494
00:57:21,550 --> 00:57:15,359
double entender

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